PhilCollins
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Quote: Originally Posted by SaveNH
Let me give you an example of bad planning, and then ask you a question, but I think from these you should be able to understand my response:
Yamamoto lost his battle for Midway because his planes were equipped for bombing when they were attacked by Navy Dive-bombers on his own decks. Being prepared the wrong way cost him his carriers.
Can you plan when it will snow, or what emergency repairs to roads and other items in the city they may have to do tomorrow, next week, next month that may require many trucks?
I believe it was Luca who said he contacted the DPW today to inquire about the idle trucks. He said 8 were prepped and ready to go for plowing and 3 were idle. Does this account for all the trucks the DPW has? I thought they had at least 18-20 plow/dump trucks, someone correct me if I am wrong. This would mean that at least 7 were out and about either transporting or at an actual job site. Now I travel 101 and 93 on a daily basis and for all the construction going on the past year I have never seen more than 4 or 5 trucks at time doing work. I find it hard to believe that some horrific emergency to the city roads would require more trucks than it does on a major highway renovation.
I for one would rather see half of the trucks prepped now as opposed to waiting until the first actual snowfall, which could account for truck not getting out on the roads until after the workday has finished.
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SaveNH
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Ah, but there is teh rub, in your very last sentence. For the most part they don't go out until long after the work day is over; and that being so, what did they do all day except wait to go out later at much higher pay.
Being prepared is wise, tieing your equipment up so that it has limited ability is not.
I would say no more than 10% should be prepared until the first snowfall. And get them out when the snow starts accumulating doing sanding.
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Here's another suggstion, if they delcare a snow emergency parking ban, and it hasn't started snowing yet, they send workers home, off the clock, until it does start snowing.
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Quote: Originally Posted by SaveNHHere's another suggstion, if they delcare a snow emergency parking ban, and it hasn't started snowing yet, they send workers home, off the clock, until it does start snowing.
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I agree, but if they are going to get paid, then they need to be working. If the trucks are already prepared, then they don't need to prepare them. Wait and see this winter, pay attention to the things we are talking about, and you will understand where I am coming from.
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It's been going on for years. A friend's husband and one of my former neighbors were plow drivers for the city and they would often be home at 1pm so they could go out at 6 and start plowing. Didn't matter that it had been snowing all day - they were home snowblowing their own driveways while people struggled through the slippery roads to get home from work.
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Ah, but there is teh rub, in your very last sentence. For the most part they don't go out until long after the work day is over; and that being so, what did they do all day except wait to go out later at much higher pay.
Being prepared is wise, tieing your equipment up so that it has limited ability is not.
I would say no more than 10% should be prepared until the first snowfall. And get them out when the snow starts accumulating doing sanding.
You yourself said you had friends also in plowing industry and it took them at least a few hours to prep their trucks. Are these folks with F-350's or are they running the same type trucks as the DPW guys? Trying to see if their time frame is comparable to the DPWs. I mean if only 2 trucks are prepped and ready to go the day we find out snows a-comin' that means workers who start at 7:30 only have until 3:30 to outfit their trucks with proper equipment and fill the load the back with salt. That's if they get the okay to start prepping as soon as they clock in.
I have to say that not often does it start snowing hard during the day, but I remember last year when business/schools closed early for a big storm. I was on Bridge Street at about 2 pm following a plow truck, so I think your "they always wait until after hours" all depends on the timing of the snowfall.
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Quote: Originally Posted by NHLadyIt's been going on for years. A friend's husband and one of my former neighbors were plow drivers for the city and they would often be home at 1pm so they could go out at 6 and start plowing. Didn't matter that it had been snowing all day - they were home snowblowing their own driveways while people struggled through the slippery roads to get home from work.
I do know that if they have been out plowing for a certain number of hours they will be sent home to sleep and then called out once another shift ends.
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No - they had worked from 7:00 am until 1:00 pm and then went home until 6 pm. This was a few years ago so maybe now that money is tighter it sin't happening anymore?
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I was aware of the same situation, employees being sent home early, and not sure if they were off the clock.
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Quote: Originally Posted by SaveNH
Let me give you an example of bad planning, and then ask you a question, but I think from these you should be able to understand my response:
Yamamoto lost his battle for Midway because his planes were equipped for bombing when they were attacked by Navy Dive-bombers on his own decks. Being prepared the wrong way cost him his carriers.
We got lucky at Midway..thankfully. Understand why but too bad the US didn't chase, after sinking their carriers, their destroyers and other surface ships. Sorry, off topic!
Can you plan when it will snow, or what emergency repairs to roads and other items in the city they may have to do tomorrow, next week, next month that may require many trucks?
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