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Quote: Originally Posted by NH Lady
Let's see how you feel about this when your kids are teenagers and you can't figure out why they have lost all incentive to go to school, work, have no idea nor care about their future until you discover they are smoking pot every afternoon with their friends. Once the pot smoking stops, they are a completely different motivated person. Do you think people should drive under the influence of pot?
They can already get their hands on pot easier than they can get a pack of cigarettes or booze.
Awesome. The story is about medical marijuana for chronically and terminally ill patients. It figures that you wouldn't be able to stay on topic. Do you have anything to say about that, NH Lady? Are you ever able to engage in a discussion without veering off into the land of right wing talking points?
The lack of compassion shown by the NH Senate, the Governor, and the GOP is sickening.
Here's a thought (alien concept, I know) for you, NH Lady. If marijuana was legal, kids wouldn't be able to buy it without an ID.
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I was giving my opinion. Unlike you who spends their time here attacking everyone's opinions. You don't discuss because you are incapable of having a reasonable discussion without resorting to your typical right wing mantra.
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As for Pot being easier than Alcohol or cigarettes .. that is another bogus statement.
Almost every home in America has alcohol readily available to anyone who can open the cabinet! Cigarettes can be found in 25% of American homes. As any child who rides in mama's shopping cart knows NH runs on Booze and Butts! It is always one of the largest displays in any grocery or convenience store!
In fact the real problem nowadays is that because of the restrictive laws on POT, and the bulkiness of the product it is far easier to transport and sell Cocaine and Heroin! Heroin also come in nice cute little packets for around $20 while weed is a more expensive outlay of cash.
Another bogus statement is that POT is a gateway drug. Reality is that Alcohol is the real gateway drug with effects that are much more like Heroin and cocaine than POT. Also if you are looking for the POT smokers in your town you will have to go to their homes, on the other hand the Heroin and Cocaine users congregate at the local watering holes where they blend in better.
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What do we have a bunch of drug crazed lunatics on here? It was defeated, and I am glad it was. I am willing to bet a lot of people wanted it to pass. A stepping stone to legalization. I believe I have said that here before...
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Thank you! I wonder how many in favor of this have children? I also wonder if any of them have had teenagers who used it.
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Quote: Second, back in the 1960's there was extensive research and use of marijuana in the treatment of severe lung ailments! The reason was marijuana had a beneficial effect of expanding the brochioles causing the person to cough violently expelling the mucus plugs causing severe breathing problems. I believe most of this 'research' was taking place in Canada since USA researchers were restricted from experimenting with Marijuana.
If this is true (I hope it is because I know many people who would benefit) then why did I read that cigarette smokers who also smoke pot are 20 times more likely to get COPD? I moked cigarettes for years and if I even tried to smoke a joint I would feel burning in my lungs
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It's nice to know that some of you listened to Nancy Reagan, who was herself addicted to pills, even as she was just saying no.
This bill wasn't about selling pot to kids. It was about medical marijuana for chronically and terminally ill patients. Maine and Vermont both have legalized medical marijuana. Betcha didn't know that, did ya? That's because there haven't been any problems with it.
NH Lady - you're projecting. You are every bit as disagreeable to anyone who isn't a right winger as I am to you. Have a nice big cup of hypocrisy, tootsie.
CVCrank - you're on the right track. Any treatment professional will tell you that tobacco is the real gateway drug. Kids who smoke cigarettes are more likely to try alcohol, then pot. The concept that pot leads to harder drugs is bs, of course. That's like saying that starting with beer is gonna lead to 151 rum.
This is hilarious! The party of personal liberty is filled with phonies who believe in prohibition!
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1.) Alcohol and tobacco are taxed at a higher percentage than any other consumable.
2.) We spend hundreds of thousands of dollars a year prosecuting and incarcerating casual users of marijuana. (Yes, that said casual users, not dealers)
3.) You will NEVER read a news story about a casual marijuana user holding up a convenience store to "get a fix".
4.) Contrary to some opinions posted on this thread, marijuana is NOT easier to get than cigarettes. (that's just silly)
5.) If it was legalized and taxed like the above mentioned products, the revenue garnered from the tax, coupled with the savings from not prosecuting and/or incarcerating casual users would be immense.
6.) The medical benefits of marijuana have been proven time and time again.
Facts and opinions from a casual observer...
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Drugs are easier to obtain by Teens than cigarettes, that was the claim. With ID's required to buy cigarettes, that is not hard to understand. You don't produce an ID to buy a bag of weed!
Other than that, I agree with the rest of your comments.
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SNH, I agree with you about teens having easier access to marijuana. Their social "network" is larger and more diverse than the average adult. On the other hand, marijuana is far more difficult to obtain from an adult's position than alcohol or tobacco... |
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True to some degree - however, with State Liquor stores closing at dinner time, the nights belong to the dealers, if you want something stronger than beer or wine. And most adults work, so getting to the State Liquor store is not always convenient. Dealers are on call (open for business) mostly nights!
Last night and tonight will be the big scramble for party favors!
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The only thing we have to keep in mind here is prescription drugs are much more dangerous than pot. If they won't legalize it for medical purposes we have to ask ourselves why... What's the real reason behind this attitude?
Kids are shopping in their parents' medicine cabinets for all kinds of muscle relaxers, pain killers, anti-anxiety pills, sleeping pills, etc. Kids will be kids, and us parents need to monitor them and their friends and keep prescription drugs locked up - much like you would guns in the house. There's no reason, other than politics & stigma for medical marijuana to be shot down while drugs as harmful as oxycontin are prescribed liberally.
NHL, medical marijuana doesn't have to mean smoking a joint. The THC can be extracted and put into pill form.
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Smoking marijuana has been proven, religiously, to be less harmful then cigarettes. This is has never been up for debate. The real debate, is who profits the plants legalization. At this point, legalizing for medicinal purposes, the companies who are contracted to produce the marijuana will profit. Not the people.
Legalizing marijuana for the average person to grow, manicure, and sell legally for profit would be the only legalizing of marijuana I support. The amount of medicinal side effects from marijuana is a joke, and I honestly think its laughable that they want to legalize it for medicinal purposes. Anyone who knows anything can see this is just a stepping stone, as Cowboy said, to complete legalization.
Say if New Hampshire was to legalize marijuana following all the same laws as tobacco minus the growing and selling part. Notice : Once tobacco was turned into a market they made it illegal for the average person to cultivate and sell it, and it is still illegal to this day to do so. What makes us think this will not happen with marijuana?
If you lived in New Hampshire and wanted to grow marijuana for personal consumption you would go to city hall and apply. After a check of your criminal record, if you have no past drug penalties, you will pay x amount of dollars in taxes per marijuana plant you would like to grow, say 100-200 dollars.
This is just for personal consumption, obviously if you were going to be selling the marijuana there would be a whole buttload of regulations and rules to follow that would be mandated by the state.
NHLady - How are you going to support laws because your child used marijuana and you had a hard time preventing it? Just because your teenager did doesnt mean any other parents had a hard time with it, I am not saying they didnt, but how are you going to form your opinion of every teenager in the country based on one? I dont believe that is fair or logical. And, would you allow your kids to take percocet if they were injured? What about oxycontin? Or Vicodin? Percodan? All of those drugs that are ENTIRELY legal, and are about 300 times more addictive and habit forming and dangerous to say the least.
Your afraid of people being allowed to smoke weed inside their house, legally, and not harming a person?
But you are not afraid of all these wackos out there RIGHT NOW driving on the same roads as your children that are bugged out on oxycontin. I can tell you when I was in High School NO ONE was okay with prescription pills. Showing teenagers the values of using a plants psychoactive chemicals to alter ones consciousness from time to time shows them how harmful drugs like prescription pills are. They see marijuana as natural, and after all it is a plant. Trying to fight against the people who smoke marijuana habitually is a losing battle that is costing our country billions of dollars during a recession, while people like you and my mother are working to keep their businesses alive.
The fact that our prisons are being privatized plays a MAJOR role in this discussion. I heard on the 610 am the other day that a judge in Massachusets was getting kick backs for pressuring parents to send their children to YDC when they got in trouble. This is th result when you incentevize filling prisons.
It's pretty funny that our YDC here in Manchester is owned by John Sununu.
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Quote: NHLady - How are you going to support laws because your child used marijuana and you had a hard time preventing it? Just because your teenager did doesnt mean any other parents had a hard time with it, I am not saying they didnt, but how are you going to form your opinion of every teenager in the country based on one? I dont believe that is fair or logical. And, would you allow your kids to take percocet if they were injured? What about oxycontin? Or Vicodin? Percodan? All of those drugs that are ENTIRELY legal, and are about 300 times more addictive and habit forming and dangerous to say the least.
I didn't say it was my child. My son has plenty of friends and I suspect more teenagers smoke it than don't same as teenagers drink alcohol and smoke cigarettes when they aren't legally supposed to. I don't know why you attack me like you're some kind of childrearing expert at the age of 20. I have jeans older than you. This is what I mean about your condescending attitudes and your LOLs. Do you blame your parents for your partying and smoking pot?
You claim marijuana doesn't knock the incentive out of kids when you admitted to smoking and partying and subsequently quitting high school because you claim it was boring or some such thing.
I am in favor of medicinal marijuana being sold as a controlled drug but don't think we need pot shops on every corner. Is anyone going to admit that it distorts your judgment and perception much quicker than drinking a beer? You'd have to drink a six pack to get the same effect as smoking one joint.
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NHL,
I am the father of 3 boys/Young Men now. All are successful at their careers, have gone on to higher education, 2 have degrees and one is still in the process of getting further training, All 3 own their own homes (secret to getting your lazy a** kids to move out and stay out, get them into a mortgage). Yes we had the Alcohol and Pot talks but I am willing to bet you will be somewhat shocked as to what I told them.
Alcohol is a systemic poison, which formerly was always labeled with the Skull and Cross-Bones warning label, the liquor industry through their lobbyists got removed. The affect you receive from the alcohol is the slight poisoning that you are giving yourself, with each dose you take you cause more damage. It is very possible and quite likely that you can kill yourself by taking too much alcohol at one sitting. It also causes severe reactions when taken with other prescription drugs. The labels say "DO NOT Drink ALCOHOL when taking this medication" and they mean NO ALCOHOL as it is a central nervous system depressant!
If you are under age of 21 it is illegal to use alcohol. You should never drive a vehicle after drinking alcohol. Never take alcohol on an empty stomach, always eat before or while drinking.
Alcohol KILLS Hundreds of Thousands of people every year many of whom are innocents. It is responsible for Drunk Driving deaths in the tens of thousands. It is a trigger mechanism in Domestic Violence situations with the resultant deaths, injuries and Personal Life destruction. Alcohol is the dominate factor in most criminal cases before our district courts! It causes Cirrhosis, Portal Hypertension, Wet Brain, and numerous bruises due to impaired balance.
Alcohol does have some medicinal benefits as it is a pain killer. It has been used for centuries by medicine practitioners to cure everything from depression to consumption.
Alcohols primary benefit is the loosening of social boundaries people have allowing, for instance, white people to dance or at least believe they are dancing well, others to talk when they are usually silent.
Pot comes from the Marijuana plant and is smoked without any preprocessing by commercial companies. It has some medicinal affects as it has been used for centuries to achieve relief from minor aches and pains. It creates a mild euphoric affect usually accompanied by a desire to eat. The active ingredient is THC and has been duplicated in the laboratory. Marinol is the brand name it is sold and prescribed under. It has been very beneficial for diseases and treatments that cause malnutrition, such as chemo therapy for cancers and Cystic Fibrosis.
Pots major drawback is that it is illegal. There are no known cases of someone dying from using too much pot. There is no or at least very little evidence pointing to Pot as causing major problems for drivers. Except when used in conjunction with Alcohol, especially excessive amounts alcohol. Of course that holds true for most anything that you take while consuming excessive amounts of alcohol.
The effect of POT on the lungs is still being studied but with all the other evidence of the damage smoking stuff causes it can't be good for your lungs long term.
Never smoke POT while in a motor vehicle, 90% of all POT busts occur when police find evidence of pot in a motor vehicle when they stop you. You should restrict sharing joints or pipes only with those you know not to currently have a cold or the flu or any other communicable diseases. In fact probably best to avoid that situation completely. Vietnam Vets will tell you that they just smoked their own joints and never or at least rarely shared a joint.
There you have it NHL , THE TALK, feel free to use it if you wish!
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Nice talk, Crank. That is the absolute truth. Education is always better than demands.
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First of all, the kids I was talking about were not my kids, but some of my son's friends who live in our neighborhood. I had these talks with them years ago. I've been a parent for 40 years for heaven's sakes, I think I have a clue. I didn't grow up under a rock. I went to Central and even back then there were drugs around. I lived on a college campus from 1969 - 1972 which exposed me to pot parties among other things. I have 3 sons and so far - so good. I am not saying they have been perfect, but they all seem to be headed on the right path. Son #1 - has a Masters, an MBA and is in his third year of completing his PhD in International Business Son#2 - senior at UNH majoring in Mechanical Engineering and technical team leader for the UNH FSAE Racing Team Son#3 - freshman at UNH majoring in Journalism
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NHL,
Sorry if you took The Talk comment so personally. I was only responding to your reply to Cowboy inquiring how anyone with teenagers could support the Pot bill. Though mine are no longer teenagers they were in the very recent past.
It appears it was only the first paragraph that you had any issues with. I find that unusual and expected more about the actual Talk. But I guess I should have been more sensitive especially when addressing a mother who may feel her brood is being attacked.
Be assured I never once thought about you or your kids when writing it. Nor did I mean to imply my kids were perfect, they certainly haven't been thankfully! How boring it would have been.
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I did take it personally and it did upset me to think I needed parenting tips after raising kids for 40 years. Sorry if I took it personally when it wasn't your intention.
I can remember my oldest calling me at 1am and asking me to pick him up at a party because he had been drinking. I told my kids to never drive after drinking or get into a car with a driver that had been drinking. They were to call home and ask for a ride - no questions asked. As far as smoking goes,. Our family has a history of lung disease and lung cancer. They are aware of the dangers so if any of them care to incapacitate themselves it's not like they haven't been made aware.
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The illegal rope making material hemp and the DuPont nylon rope making company have nothing to do with making weed illegal. Its for the kids. We did to protect people from their doctors who may want give them the only non physically addictive, inhaled, pain medication that makes you hungry, to combat the side effects of kemo and other illness that cause pain and make you want to throw up the pain pill you just swallowed.
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