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Ok this thread is for everyone who wants to comment or analyse (although there does not seem to be much analysis on here, more fact-less opinion)
Aldermanic & School Board Wards 1-12, At-Large, and Mayoral outcomes
Why certain people loss, others prevailed...
some of these races were really close
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I dont think that telling everyone they have "fact-less" opinions is a good way to get a thread started lol.
But if you want my opinion I dont think that a thing is going to change at all. Except Phil is probably going to disagree with everything that happens but it wont matter because he will be the only Rep besides Ted. The Democrats will now have an overwhelming majority. I really hope Ted is a "consensus builder" because he will need that skill during his reign as mayor.
Good for Dan Oneill and Mike Lopez though huh? They are invincible it seems.
MCAM did a fantastic job covering the election too that should be mentioned. I remember being in city hall waiting for the results to come in and finding out Phil had won before anyone in the building. Me and Calum actually said it out loud and nobody believed us. A great time it was..
Does anyone know how much money was spent on the campaigns? How much did Gatsas and Roy spend? Im curious..
After watching 2 joes, can anyone account for the tax cap being passed and Republicans being beaten all over the place?
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Quote: Originally Posted by RyanTower
I remember being in city hall waiting for the results to come in and finding out Phil had won before anyone in the building. Me and Calum actually said it out loud and nobody believed us. A great time it was..
Ryan - you probably knew about Phil's victory so quickly because you could hear me scream all the way from Parker-Varney!
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Quote: Originally Posted by RyanTower
I dont think that telling everyone they have "fact-less" opinions is a good way to get a thread started lol.
But if you want my opinion I dont think that a thing is going to change at all. Except Phil is probably going to disagree with everything that happens but it wont matter because he will be the only Rep besides Ted. The Democrats will now have an overwhelming majority. I really hope Ted is a "consensus builder" because he will need that skill during his reign as mayor.
Good for Dan Oneill and Mike Lopez though huh? They are invincible it seems.
MCAM did a fantastic job covering the election too that should be mentioned. I remember being in city hall waiting for the results to come in and finding out Phil had won before anyone in the building. Me and Calum actually said it out loud and nobody believed us. A great time it was..
Does anyone know how much money was spent on the campaigns? How much did Gatsas and Roy spend? Im curious..
After watching 2 joes, can anyone account for the tax cap being passed and Republicans being beaten all over the place?
I think more democrats voted than republicans for one. For two, democrats showed that they will vote for a republican if he is a good candidate, republicans need to put forth better candidates. And three democrats sent a message by voting for the tax cap that they want our city leaders to be mindful of spending but they are not trusting republicans solely to do this so they sent a message that they trust democrats more with city services but that they better watch it. If you look at 20 years of a tax cap in Franklin for example, they have closed their public library, don't put street lights on at night and they have the highest drop out rate of highschoolers in the state. Do we want that for Manchester over time? I think not. So democrats said hey watch your spending and Teddy is the man for fiscal responsibility but a little severe so if an override needs to be done the votes will definitely be there to do it. Makes perfect sense to me and I was not surprised at all knowing the political demographics of Manchester. I'm also wondering does this cap forbid grant money that so many departments depend on to offset receiving money from the city. If it does than the city is really screwed because, police, fire, schools etc. apply and receive mucho grant money.
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Quote: Originally Posted by YankeegirlIf you look at 20 years of a tax cap in Franklin for example, they have closed their public library, don't put street lights on at night and they have the highest drop out rate of highschoolers in the state. Curious - where are you getting these facts from? If they are true, how do you know if it is due to their tax cap?
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I find it hilarious that those who do not support a Tax Cap always refer to distressed communities as proof they don't work.
Franklin has been on decline and in trouble for years, their citizens could not/can not afford to pay more. They are not on any major highway, they have no transportation access, they have no or very few jobs, and they need a break. Higher taxes without a Tax Cap would not solve their problems, it would only add to them.
Before the mill closed in Berlin, Franklin was the black eye on NH's economy most talked about.
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Quote: Originally Posted by TSimmons
Ryan - you probably knew about Phil's victory so quickly because you could hear me scream all the way from Parker-Varney!
Tammy, a get a sense of a aura around you and Phil, anything to my perception?
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Quote: Originally Posted by CowboyQuote: Originally Posted by TSimmons
<br>Ryan - you probably knew about Phil's victory so quickly because you could hear me scream all the way from Parker-Varney!<br> <br><br>Tammy, a get a sense of a aura around you and Phil, anything to my perception?<br>
An aura? I guess there are all sorts of auras around us.
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Quote: Originally Posted by TSimmonsQuote: Originally Posted by CowboyQuote: Originally Posted by TSimmons
<br>Ryan - you probably knew about Phil's victory so quickly because you could hear me scream all the way from Parker-Varney!<br> <br><br>Tammy, a get a sense of a aura around you and Phil, anything to my perception?<br> An aura? I guess there are all sorts of auras around us.
Aaah... you're good at avoiding 
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Quote: Originally Posted by TSimmonsQuote: Originally Posted by YankeegirlIf you look at 20 years of a tax cap in Franklin for example, they have closed their public library, don't put street lights on at night and they have the highest drop out rate of highschoolers in the state. Curious - where are you getting these facts from? If they are true, how do you know if it is due to their tax cap?
Obviously not in a good place and that is a lesson for me as I checked this morning and Franklin has a beautiful public library that is open. My apologies for my misinformation. However, I am still interested if our tax cap forbids grants to the city departments. Do you have any info on this as I cannot find it myself. I know other cities with the cap still recieve grants but I'm interested in the language of our tax cap and if it forbids it.
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You will also Note the Republican Party does Very little to help or support it's candidates. Not once did I see a mailer from the Republican Party.
On a positive note Without a doubt Ted has the person that will remove him from office sitting on the Board of Alderman. Ted always looks out for himself. I am truly surprised he did not focus on stopping a new alderman with the power and drive to remove him in 2 years.
As for strong Candidates the republicans had them. What they don't have is the willingness to help them. Unless they are Far right or in with the old boys network. Sununu needs to come to Manchester and set the party straight. Less is more and Manchester GOP just can't seem to get their Crap together and organised. The monthly meetings that always say the same thing is foolish The party needs fresh Faces and Willingness to accept the moderates. |
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Quote: Originally Posted by LocalBystander
You will also Note the Republican Party does Very little to help or support it's candidates. Not once did I see a mailer from the Republican Party.
The Manchester Republican Committee sent out a mailer for Greazzo-Avard-Gatsas here in Ward 10 - and I know they did it in some other wards as well. The NHGOP sent out a postcard for Greazzo.
Quote: Originally Posted by LocalBystander
On a positive note Without a doubt Ted has the person that will remove him from office sitting on the Board of Alderman. Ted always looks out for himself. I am truly surprised he did not focus on stopping a new alderman with the power and drive to remove him in 2 years.
Please, do tell who you think will run against Gatsas in 2 years?
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As for strong Candidates the republicans had them. What they don't have is the willingness to help them. Unless they are Far right or in with the old boys network. Sununu needs to come to Manchester and set the party straight. Less is more and Manchester GOP just can't seem to get their Crap together and organised. The monthly meetings that always say the same thing is foolish The party needs fresh Faces and Willingness to accept the moderates.
Don't necessarily disagree with you - but candidates need to have their own network of help in order to win....especially since these are LOCAL elections. They don;t have to be the people who go to the meetings - they need to be the people who want to get someone elected.
Since you sound as though you've been to the monthly meetings...and you say that the GOP needs to provide their candidates support.....then I'll presume you were out there personally providing support for a candidate. Right? There is no secret team of GOP elves that do the work.
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Yes I was out helping. Both in my ward and a couple others. My ward I did so during the Primary. But Gatsas Pushed the other republican Candidate at the polls. Funny thing is The one he supported at the poles did very little after the primary. When the one I helped I actually believe would have won if he had made it past the primary. Everyone I know that talked with him was Very impressed. But he never really reached out to the party aside from the ward rep.
Said he didn't trust most in the party. He found several he talked with just told him what they thought he wanted to hear. Found that Keith Murphy and a couple others where the only honest ones with him. But he never talked Bad about any he always just said They are doing what they think is right for the party. Most will be gone after the election. Odd he was correct.
As far as Ousting Ted in 2 years there are 2 possibilities. One would be the young man that ran called GARTH CORRIVEAU, And without a doubt The sheep to slaughter would be JOYCE CRAIG The poll Numbers in that ward say it all. Her family is into politics very heavy. I would place money Alderman is a stepping stone. Garth is Building to become a power house and with work will be in 2 years. Craig well from what I have seen and Heard she already is. Just needs a name outside the ward. Alderman got here that.
But aside from that well. I do hope the party gets organised. I offered to help a couple more and they said they didn't need it. Some lost do to not working some lost do to not having party support. But I can say the ones I helped did not loose for lack of trying. Maybe lack of message but not all are politicians with a talent for words.
And yes I do go to the meetings for both parties. I am an Independent. I lean conservative but Will vote on records not party. Granted 90% Republican.
Sorry if it sounded like I thought the city party did nothing. But I did not hear a thing about any mailers and I tried to keep trac as I have friends in all wards who Vote. I just like politics. So I try and follow them closly. What happens in a ward says a lot about who will win. Just Like the Sold out signs. The more that showed up the slimmer the Chances or winning. Unfortunately. He was a good alderman. |
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Really no major surprises in this election.
Ted Gatsas worked hard to gain the victory. I supported Mark Roy but I can't say I was shocked at the outcome. I think Ted Gatsas will do a very god job. He cares about the city and has shown through his own hard work that he is not one to be pushed around. Ted Gatsas is no Frank Guinta. At least Ted has credibility when he speaks.
Ward 10 Phil Greazzo(I think that is how his name is spelled) has clearly worked very hard to become elected. I may not agree with his position on the spending cap but I think when a candidate works exceptionally hard, he or she will be elected. I wish all candidates worked as hard as he did.
Ward 6: Not much of a surprise there. Garth Corriveau will work hard and I think people in ward 6 wanted a fresh face on the board.
Ward 12: Not much of a surprise there either. Keith Hrschmann had his days in office and again, like in Ward 6, I think the voters wanted a new face.
Ward 3: Not shocked. I think ward 3 would have been well represented with Joe Kelly or Pat Long. The voters in that ward did not lose anything, in fact, regardless of who won, at least the Ward 3 citizens are now effectively represented.
Ward 8: I think this race was neck and neck. Betsi worked hard as did Christine Telge. Both worked excpetionally hard and I think Ward 8 is well represented. Christine is not a candidate to be taken lightly and I think the results show that Betsi is vulnerable.
Ward 9: No shock there. Mike Garrity made his own mistakes and the voters took him to task. It goes to show that being elected does not end on election day. You have to work hard every day you are in office. Ward 9 residents want their voice heard and they spoke very loud and clear.
The spending cap: well, as I wrote to Tammy Simmons, I won't whine about it. I had written early on that if the people vote for the spending cap and it is approved, then we have to live with it. I will hold true to my word. Again, the people of the spending cap initiative worked hard and really got their message out. Just goes to show what hard work can do if people want an initiative to pass.
All in all, no major surprises.
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"If you won, or might win next time, bend over and let me kiss your ass so Mommy can stay on the city payroll".
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Quote: Originally Posted by porrohman"If you won, or might win next time, bend over and let me kiss your ass so Mommy can stay on the city payroll". Oh Sullivan, you can do better than that can't you.
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Where were all the poll standers supporting the tax cap???
I know in Ward 5, there was only 1 guy holding a totem with both signs saying; "Less Spending = Less Taxes" and "Vote Yes on the Tax Cap".
Good to see it passed. Now to see if 13 Democrats can hold the line on spending or will they be having slippery fingers??
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Quote: Originally Posted by RobertT
Where were all the poll standers supporting the tax cap???
I know in Ward 5, there was only 1 guy holding a totem with both signs saying; "Less Spending = Less Taxes" and "Vote Yes on the Tax Cap".
Good to see it passed. Now to see if 13 Democrats can hold the line on spending or will they be having slippery fingers??
You just said there was someone holding a sign in Ward 5.....how many people did you expect? Were you holding one?
Ward 10 had I think 3 totems and some shorter signs - I would guess there were at least 2 totems held all day. By the early evening there were so many people there to hold signs for Phil and/or the spending cap that we had more people than signs....which is never a bad thing. 
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Tammy,
I am happy you and Phil won. you two are good people. I enjoyed the tent and food station at your ward.
This win puts Phil in an instant place of power as the only rep. on the board.
He has a chance to create a real power base.
How do you feel about ted taking some of his 200,000-300,000 of campaign money and putting out a flier that asked ward 7 to vote for bill Shea? It is to bad he did not put out a flier that asked why bill Shea thought we(as voters) could not vote intelligently on a tax cap.
At least we will get a dog park from that bedford developer...
I know you will make it better.
If there is anything I can do to help let me know
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Quote: Originally Posted by TSimmonsYou just said there was someone holding a sign in Ward 5.....how many people did you expect? Were you holding one? Ward 10 had I think 3 totems and some shorter signs - I would guess there were at least 2 totems held all day. By the early evening there were so many people there to hold signs for Phil and/or the spending cap that we had more people than signs....which is never a bad thing.
Since so many wanted this to pass, I thought there would be more 'people' passionate enough to come to their wards and hold a sign. I find it odd, that people shout from the roof tops for change but when it comes time to support their claims at the voting places, there is no one around (in most wards that is)?
Yes Tammy, I was the only one. There was one girl who held a 'No' Sign but she left after a short time being there. Keith came by and gave me a blue sign.
Even though I didn't make it through to the general election, I still advocated for the cap in my Ward.
Next year I have some plans in the making to expose the lies about the Manchester Democrat Delegation and their false leadership in Concord.
Should be interesting, one man against an army of dems.
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